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An Interview with Author R.M. Tembreull

R.M. Tembreull is an author, an artist, and a twenty-six-year veteran of the U.S. Air Force. His life experience and love of the natural world informs his writing and led to the concept of telling his stories through the eyes of a sentient planet. Fractured State in the Blighted Earth (Atmosphere Press, September 2024) is Raymund’s debut eco-fantasy novel and the first of a nine-book series. Look for him on his website TheBlightedEarth.com, on Instagram and his Amazon author page.


What would you like readers to know about the story you tell in Fractured State?
From my lens, we are currently facing a convergence of extremes — of thought, ideology, emotions, climate, violence, etc. — which present a complex set of asymmetric conditions. One could think of it as a synthetic virus, but at the very least, an affliction challenging human existence. One might say this collection of extremes is humanity’s blight. So, I would ask my readers to ponder the following questions as they read Fractured State in the Blighted Earth: Are homo sapiens not the dominant species? Is it not our duty to address this multi-source affliction on behalf of the planet? If you looked at Earth Mother as one living body as she is described in Fractured State, She is hemorrhaging, and who would be in the best position to staunch the bleeding if not Her most gifted children?

By reading Fractured State you are starting a journey into a fantastical world which largely exists outside our known reality and beyond the limits of human perception. I sincerely hope the journey brings you as much entertainment and enjoyment as it did me in the creation of it. While giving you opportunities to think critically about our world, it challenges, and what you could do to cure the blight!

When you began writing this novel, what did you hope to accomplish?
Fractured State is only the beginning of an epic journey in a series which is currently planned to be nine novels. Book one is very much a stage-setter for a supernatural saga, introducing the reader to a world within a world, establishing a primary story arc, and introducing characters; some of whom will not play major roles until later books. As with all world building endeavors, I hope my story keeps the reader engaged, and I make a plausible case for how we could arrive at a continent on the environmental brink and a once proud nation becoming the “Fractured States of America.” I aspire to accomplish this through an artful blending of real-world events and science-backed facts combined with the actions and influences of powerful supernatural beings and timeless universal entities. Some of the feedback I have received from reputable review agencies since release would suggest I was successful in my goals, but whether I can successfully reach a wider audience (and my stories and messages resonate with readers out there) remains to be seen.

Who are your main characters, and what hurdles are they trying to overcome?
Some of the main (enduring) characters for the series are only introduced in Fractured State because they have expanded roles in the story arcs of future books. I also want to highlight that all the characters (except for the Texas-based ones, e.g., Arden, Daryn, Mack, Komkom, Dóatn, etc.) were either prominently featured or referenced in the stories of my first book (Stories, Legends, and Truths from the Blighted Earth). Here is the “short list” for Fractured State:

  • The Mothman: In general, the Mothmen are an ancient alien race, the Inani, whose existence can be traced back to the early universe. The Mothman reference ties them to Earth lore, but they live on a world on the “dark side” of the universe at the center of the cosmos. The Inani are governed by a technocratic society where citizens are organized into hierarchical task classes. The Inani must consume matter from the living side (our side) of the universe to sustain their way of life.
  • Kieran “Arden” McBride: Arden is a disabled Iraq combat veteran who suffers from Traumatic Brain Injury, among other things. He was homeless for a time until he was taken in by the Daryn, the Archdruid of the Druids of Hearthstone Grove in Austin, Texas. Arden serves as his grove’s protector, and with Daryn’s help, has become aware of and is beginning to understand and develop the special abilities of the “Hate-eater.”
  • Ithilbor Moonfist, the North American Guardian Spirit: Guardian Spirits occupy the highest rung on the Hierarchy of Sentience, short of Earth Mother Herself. Guardians are aligned with the Epoch in which they serve. Epochs are distinguished by the planet’s dominant species, and Guardian Spirits are created to blend in with and live among them. The current Epoch is that of humankind.
  • Nilch’i, Sentient Wind: Nilch’i is Chaos’s top field general and commander of the Formless Column of his army, the En’troop-EE (“EE” = Effector Elements). Though Chaos is a powerful entity whose existence can be traced back to the beginning of the universe, he cannot directly impact any world. Thus, he must work through the sentient denizens of a planet to achieve his destructive aims by corrupting them to his cause. Chaos indirectly wields the wind and fire elements through his Corrupted Formless.
  • STEM, the displaced Earth Elemental: STEM is an elemental who suffered a “Dislocation event,” which typically happens when an elemental is transiting their meta’en absent form. Their spirit essence becomes entrapped in some variant of the Manmade; such as urban environments that are constructed from a host of unnatural, human-manipulated materials, or in STEM’s case: the Internet.
  • Komkom “Kwin” Akwini, the Tree Spirit: Komkom is a subspecies of Earth Elemental, who has chosen to permanently manifest within a tree form. Kwin’s assigned protectorate encompasses the whole of Sam Houston National Forest in Texas. After Texas violently secedes from the Union and begins to hunt down non-Christians, Kwin provides sanctuary to the druids of Hearthstone Grove.
  • Parim, Earth Elemental: Parim, a subspecies of Earth Elements known as a Sand Spirit, is assigned to protect what humans call the United States’ desert Southwest. Because the Guardian Spirit Ithilbor is fully engaged in dealing with Formless-driven wildfires up and down the West Coast, he has charged Parim with organizing a holding action in the Southwest to blunt any aggression and violent expansion activities by the seditionist “Lone Star Nation.” Parim and Nilch’i are long time nemeses.

What is the main setting of the book? Why is it the perfect place for your story to unfold?
To set the table for the storyline, I needed the right set of conditions for Chaos to exploit in His relentless pursuit to initiate the Great Cascade and bring about the Discordant on Earth. In the United States, the makings of environmental catastrophe (extended drought, wildfires, natural habitat erosion, human over-settlement, etc.) have been present and worsening for some time with climate change driving more destructive weather extremes. Additionally, the novel was written during the trials and tribulations we all endured during the COVID pandemic and the unfortunate events in the aftermath of the 2020 Presidential election. When coupled with all the global threats, conflict, and uncertainty which have emerged in the last few years, along with their corresponding negative effects on our collective state of mind and emotions, the real world itself provided all the drama and necessary ingredients for ruinous potential on a continental scale. The final step was to inject the enduring struggle of otherworldly entities and supernatural beings into volatile mix—and viola—I had everything needed to create the “fractured state.” During the writing process, very little changed in the overall national setting, but local places, encounters, and characters within Arden’s story arc evolved as I achieved greater fidelity on the Druid’s supernatural powers and the overall impact I wanted him to have in the series. These considerations drove the choice of settings and locations within the state of Texas.

What was the most difficult aspect of world building for the Blighted Earth series?
The most difficult aspect of world building was developing the rule set which governs my fictional world. Without them, the story has no guideposts or structure, and even fantasy needs rules. If anything can happen without any corresponding cause-and-effect or impact, then nothing really matters. That makes it hard for a reader to become invested in the story and the characters. In Fractured State, the Earth-born characters all possess an immortal spirit essence or soul gifted to them by a sentient world (Earth Mother). Consequently, all life on earth progresses through many lives, and ideally, each of us can earn the privilege of becoming a High Sentient in service of the Natural Order by living well during our life chain. I even had to develop my own universe creation myth to explain everything from the origin of the alien race; to how life in our galaxy came to exist; to how the cosmos is structured and functions, etc. Fortunately, for me, the heavy lift for my world building and character-type development occurred in the writing of my first collection of stories. So, Fractured State, for the most part, just had to follow the rule set and employ character types that were already developed.

How did the book come together?
Strangely enough, other books in the series were written first. In fact, the first four books were originally intended to be one book, but it would have been far too long (especially for publishing as an indie author, where you must do a lot of the work yourself). Most of the formative writing happened during the lockdown associated with the COVID Pandemic in 2020. Fractured State was primarily written after the drafts for Books 2-4 were finished.

In terms of project timelines, it probably took about six months for the first draft. I signed a contract with Atmosphere Press in July 2023. After developmental editing, proof editing, interior and cover design, and pre-release promotion work (with multiple reviews/edits in between), the book was released on September 1, 2024. So, in total, I estimate the whole project took over a year and half, excluding gaps associated with work obligations and other projects.

What was your favorite part of putting this project together?
I think my favorite part of this or any other writing project is the beginning: the process of initial, raw creation when you have a concept and need to add the literary “meat on the bone” from idea to actual story. When I am in that creative flow, ideas can come from anywhere, at any time. I have lost more than my fair share of genius thoughts, so I always carry a notepad or some way to capture story ideas, potential research sources, etc. I just love being in the flow. I sometimes get lost “in there” for a couple hours and come out on the other end with 10-15 rough draft pages of potential greatness. Few things in this world drive you to be present in the moment inside your head like writing!

Explain what eco-fantasy is and why Fractured State fits in this genre.
Eco-fantasy, like any good fantasy, involves intricate world building but the created world does not involve one that is separate and distinct from our own. In achieving this, eco-fantasy authors must look inward vice outward. However, because this genre has ecological underpinnings, the world is centered in the natural world even though it involves supernatural forces and beings. Technically, I would describe eco-fantasy as speculative fiction which melds dystopian climate-change, the supernatural, and mythology and folklore to create a world within our earthly world. Finally, on a more serious note, eco-fantasy also seeks to highlight and engage readers to think critically about global challenges in the interests of preserving our planet through maintaining healthy biodiversity and a balanced relationship with nature. When assessed against this criteria, Fractured State in the Blighted Earth exemplifies the very definition of this new genre.

Your 2023 book Stories, Legends, and Truths from the Blighted Earth is a collection of short stories from the same universe as your 2024 novel. What were you trying to accomplish with these stories, and should readers read this book alongside (or before) the novel?
My 2023 story collection progressively knits together the world of the Fractured State with stories that feature everything from a universe creation myth to stories revealing the different character types to how the supernatural world imbedded within our own works. Every world-building exercise needs to establish a set of rules that governs the world. The story collection accomplishes this complex task by unveiling the hidden world through presented artifacts which are intended to draw the reader in. Stories, Legends, and Truths is a diverse collection in which there is something for everyone regardless of preferred genre. Reading the collection first will provide additional insight and enrich the experience of reading Fractured State, but the novel was designed to stand alone.

Tell us about your writing process and/or your writing routine.
I can say I am most productively creative in the morning so that is when I try to carve out time for “real” — initial draft — kind of wring. Ideas seem to flow the best then; probably because I have not allowed myself to get bogged down with the day’s tasks and stressors. I reserve later parts of the day for more tedious activities, like reviewing/editing manuscripts, working on promotions activities, updating websites, etc. I typically work on illustrations and social media posts at night, because I can work on that stuff while the TV is on, etc. I still work full-time, so I must work all this in around my professional obligations.

Do you have a message or a theme that recurs in your writing?
I explore several themes in Fractured State, and to me, some of the more important ones are: human belief systems and the huge impacts they have had on the environment and biodiversity of world; adverse impacts of our technology; rise of incivility in human civilization; storytelling being co-opted to insidious ends; and the process of radicalization and the rising threat of ‘homegrown’ violent extremists to our American democracy.

What writing projects are you working on now?
I am working on the second book of the series, Long Leg from the Blighted Earth, which will unveil a new story arc and more amazing characters. The Long Leg manuscript is completely knitted together, and I am about 50 percent complete on what I call a fine editing run. Like Fractured State, my second novel will also be illustrated so I am concurrently working on the artwork as well. I plan to have the book published in late 2025. I am also working on a heavily illustrated novella entitled Green Girl that follows a character who was introduced in my story collection. However, the novella has been set aside for now so I can focus on getting Long Leg finalized and handed off to my publisher. Besides the art for books, I am always working on content for my website, Instagram posts, etc. Additionally, some of my art will be featured in an anthology published in early 2025 through the Armed Services Arts Partnership.

Is there anything else you’d like readers to know?
Many of the themes of Fractured State may seem daunting, even overwhelming, because they are tied to daunting and overwhelming threats and challenges that we face in our world today: climate change, global warming, the rise of incivility and intolerance, and the fall of truth. However, I want readers to understand that the concerning “state of things” did not happen overnight. It happened over years, decades, and centuries, and it was the result of individual choices. Making the right choices, such as changing our imbalanced relationship with nature and starting the movements that convince others to do the same, are what is going to get us back on a good path and heal our world.

My perfect reader is open-minded and not stuck to one genre. They love good nature-centered, speculative fiction with intricate world building that is rooted in real events, places, and people. They love surprising and unique characters and want to be entertained as much as they want to be challenged to think critically.


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




2024 New Releases for SWW Authors #6

Daniel Pedrick, Roger Floyd, Patricia Gable, Thelma A. Giomi, and Rosalie Rayburn are just a few examples of the genre-diverse membership of SouthWest Writers (SWW). Their releases couldn’t fit in the 2024 interview schedule, but look for 2025 interviews or updates for some of these authors.

A list of interviewed SWW authors with 2024 releases is included at the end of this post.


Liv’s Story: An Iowa Girl’s Rebellion (June 2024) by Daniel Pedrick. Liv grew up in Elk Horn, Iowa in an era filled with racial prejudices and limiting ideas about women’s roles in society. But she struck out on her own early in life, crossing barriers and diving without reservation into activities considered dangerous for young ladies. Racism in 1950s and 1960s America, middle-class hypocrisy, the plight of unwed mothers and the suffering of the mentally ill sculpt her deeply. Her connection to British Honduras (later known as Belize), and her wedding to a kind, older English chap enable her to find happiness. Korean War chaos, Japanese pearl diving, Cuban underwater follies, and cave diving in Belize are just some of the adventures found in this novel.

You’ll find Dan on RMKPpublications.com and Liv’s Story on Amazon.


Explorer (Part I of the Anthanian Imperative Trilogy, August 2024) by Roger Floyd. The planet Anthanos is dying. Its orange-red sun is in the early stages of becoming a red giant. As the sun grows closer and closer, the planet grows hotter and hotter. Eventually the sun will go nova and destroy Anthanos. Scientists discover another planet to colonize outside their solar system – one with an appropriate temperature, plenty of water, an oxygen-rich atmosphere, and vast areas of solid surface to live on. So they send their best team to explore, but what those explorers find is much more than just the lovely blue planet they were expecting.

Look for Roger on his website RogerFloyd.com. Explorer is available on Amazon.


The Right Discovery (Book Three of the Right, November 2024) by Patricia Gable. In this middle grade novel, a dangerous blizzard stops everything in a small town. Five friends are trapped in a large house without their parents. They watch a movie and play games. When they play hide and seek, the danger begins! Where is Willie? Suddenly a large tree hits the house and knocks out the electricity. Will they be able to find him? A voice calls out from behind a basement wall, “Help me!” The adventure begins. History comes back to life. The friends work together and in the end the town benefits. And could there be a Guardian Angel involved?

Visit Patricia’s author pages on Amazon and SouthWestWriters.com.


Weaving Winter’s Magic (November 2024) by Thelma A. Giomi. This book of poetry is a meditative journey through the holiday season. The poems bring light and life into the long darkness of December. Her elegant words are both calming and revitalizing as she weaves spiritual magic through winter landscapes. Weaving Winter’s Magic has been called “true wisdom, true blessing, and true life” that “creates a profound message of hope—that we can create the world anew.”

You’ll find Thelma on ThelmaGiomi.com and her Amazon author page. Weaving Winter’s Magic is available here.


Windswept: A Digger Doyle Mystery (November 2024) by Rosalie Rayburn. Twenty-five years is a long time to keep a secret. But telling the truth can be deadly. Windswept, the third in the Digger Doyle series, finds intrepid reporter-turned-detective Elizabeth “Digger” Doyle reporting for a feisty little online newspaper. Digger brings her fierce energy and dedication to the struggling publication as she grapples with backdoor politics and the powerful oil and gas industry while investigating the death of a New Mexico State Representative who made powerful enemies with her push to ban new oil drilling.

Look for Rosalie on her website RosalieRayburn.com and blog, and on Facebook and her Amazon author page. Windswept is available here.


SWW Author Interviews: 2024 Releases

Tim Amsden
Love Letter to Ramah

Michael Backus
The Heart is Meat

Rachel Bate
Hatch Chile Willie

Irene Blea
Dragonfly

E. Joe Brown
A Cowboy’s Fortune (Kelly Can Saga Book 2)

Gency Brown
A Right Fine Life

Mary Lou Dobbs
Badass Old White Woman: How to Flip the Script on Aging

Lynn Ellen Doxon
The Moonlight Cavalry

Robert D. Kidera
Burn Scars

Kendra Loring
The Saga of Henri Standing Bear

William Murray
Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather

Jeff Otis
Raptor Lands: The Story of the Harrowing Return of the Dinosaurs

Léonie Rosenstiel
Protecting Mama: Surviving the Legal Guardianship Swamp


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




2024 New Releases for SWW Authors #4

David L. Harrison, R. M. Tembreull, Sequoia Rudolph, Heidi Marshall, and Gary Lucero are just a few examples of the genre-diverse membership of SouthWest Writers (SWW). Their releases couldn’t fit in the 2024 interview schedule, but look for 2025 interviews or updates for some of these authors.

A list of interviewed SWW authors with 2024 releases is included at the end of this post.


Children’s writer David L. Harrison authored, coauthored, or edited four books in 2024. The Fluency Development Lesson, Closing the Reading Gap (Benchmark Education, June 2024) — a must-have for elementary literacy educators — is a ready-to-implement set of 28 fluency development units organized into five knowledge strands.

Introduce poetry to students in the classroom and beyond with 40 Poems for 40 Weeks: Integrating Meaningful Poetry and Word Ladders into Grades 3–5 Literacy (Routledge; 1st edition, December 2024), an anthology of hand-chosen poems written by well-known, beloved poets.

Wild Brunch: Poems About How Creatures Eat (Charlesbridge, September 2024), a nonfiction poetry picture book collection for kids, invites young wildlife lovers to explore how and why animals eat what they do.

A Tree Is a Community (Books for a Better Earth) from Holiday House, October 2024. A tree is more than just a plant, but a whole ecosystem hiding in plain sight, on street corners and in backyards everywhere. Discover how one tree provides shelter, food, and clean air to a host of animals and insects.

Visit David on his website DavidLHarrison.com, his blog, and on Facebook. Look for his children’s books on all major retailers including Amazon.


Fractured State in the Blighted Earth (Atmosphere Press, September 2024) by R. M. Tembreull. Chaos, the Destroyer, has launched his most aggressive and expansive campaign yet. His objective: initiate the Great Cascade and bring about the Discordant on Earth. The eternal struggle between order and chaos is an inescapable condition of the universe. Caught in the middle is the delicate balance necessary for life to exist and prosper in our world. On Earth, the opposing sides in this timeless conflict are Earth Mother’s Natural Order and Chaos’s Force Corrupted.

You’ll find Raymund on his website TheBlightedEarth.com and Instagram. Look for his books on Amazon and Barnes & Noble.


In Time Out (September 2024) by Sequoia Rudolph. Where does a 45-year old Special Ed teacher go when her marriage finally slips through the cracks? Into a self-imposed time out in Paradise, of course. Cynthia Ferguson quickly learns that Paradise is not what it’s chalked up to be. Navigating a challenging school system, an evil principal, rambunctious students, and their fiery parents, Ms. Ferguson finds herself being burned by the real heat of Hawai’i. Hilarious, poignant, and provocative, this is a tale about a woman who takes chances, starts over, and finds out that the world can be yours when you step boldly out of your comfort zone.

You’ll find Sequoia on Medium and Amazon.


The Town That Lost Its Colors (September 2024) by Heidi Marshall. Princess Imogen has never spent a night away from the safety of her castle but, with her father the King on other business, she has no choice but to journey to a remote village and do her best to help the people solve a serious problem. Where have the town’s colors gone? Could someone really have taken them, and how? A story written in the tradition of fine tales of courage and respect, with modern themes of inclusion, forgiveness, and kindness. Illustrated by Adrienne Kinsella.

Look for The Town That Lost Its Colors on Amazon.


In Letting Go: poems of life and death (October 2024 ) by Gary Lucero. This collection of poems explores the travails of life, the inevitability of death, and a fantasy realm where nothing is black and white. It’s poetry that deals with aging, disappointment, war, suicide, grief, loss, and death. Its first chapter focuses on life, the second on death, and the third, on a fantasy world filled with flawed characters who inhabit a realm where the gods aid the nobility and ignore the poor, while the realm of the dead threatens them all.

The paperback is a deluxe print version that includes illustrations for each of the poems in the book.

You’ll find Gary on GaryLuceroWriter.com, Facebook, Instagram, and his Amazon author page.


SWW Author Interviews: 2024 Releases

Tim Amsden
Love Letter to Ramah

Michael Backus
The Heart is Meat

Rachel Bate
Hatch Chile Willie

Irene Blea
Dragonfly

E. Joe Brown
A Cowboy’s Fortune (Kelly Can Saga Book 2)

Gency Brown
A Right Fine Life

Mary Lou Dobbs
Badass Old White Woman: How to Flip the Script on Aging

Lynn Ellen Doxon
The Moonlight Cavalry

Robert D. Kidera
Burn Scars

Kendra Loring
The Saga of Henri Standing Bear

William Murray
Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather

Jeff Otis
Raptor Lands: The Story of the Harrowing Return of the Dinosaurs

Léonie Rosenstiel
Protecting Mama: Surviving the Legal Guardianship Swamp


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




2024 New Releases for SWW Authors #1

Kris Bock (aka Chris Eboch), Lisa Haneberg, Parris Afton Bonds, Carol H. March, and Larry Kilham represent the diverse membership of SouthWest Writers (SWW) with books published in a variety of genres in 2024. Their new releases couldn’t fit in this year’s interview schedule, but look for 2025 interviews or updates for some of these authors.

A list of interviewed SWW authors with 2024 releases is included at the end of this post.


Someone Rotten Riding the Rails: Female Sleuth Cozy Mysteries (The Accidental Detective Book 6, Tule Publishing, January 2024) by Kris Bock. Former war correspondent Kate Tessler has solved multiple murders since returning to her Arizona hometown. Now the FBI needs Kate’s help. Two Russian crime families have rented a private historic train to the Grand Canyon for their children’s wedding. To infiltrate the train, Kate poses as a reporter to cover the society wedding, and her crew of misfits pose as train staff. Their goal to observe is derailed when the groom disappears and a dead body turns up. Everyone’s a suspect and trapped on the train. Kate and friends must uncover the truth before their mission goes off the tracks.

Pride and Prejudice at The Cat Café: a Furrever Friends Sweet Romance (Pig River Press, March 2024) by Kris Bock. It is a truth universally acknowledged, that a single man in possession of a fortune should donate to a cat rescue. The Furrever Friends Cat Café helps people find furry forever friends – and just might lead to romantic love too. This Pride and Prejudice modern adaptation features fresh twists to delight both fans and new readers. The Furrever Friends Sweet Romance series features the workers and customers at a small-town cat café, and the adorable cats and kittens looking for their forever homes. Each book is a complete story with a happy ending for one couple.

You’ll find Kris Bock on KrisBock.com (and Chris Eboch on ChrisEboch.com), Instagram, and Goodreads.


Far From Ordinary: Predicaments, Misadventures, and Illuminations (January 2024) by Lisa Haneberg. This is a hilarious new collection of essays, poems, and short stories about adventures and misadventures. Lisa Haneberg engages readers with fascinating facts and eccentric tales about awkward experiences that went seriously sideways. The essays and poems highlight Haneberg’s quirky personal adventures, while her short stories subject fictional characters to outlandish escapades and entanglements. Dish unto others as life has dished upon you, as the saying goes. The collection includes twenty-six pieces ordered from the most straightforward to the weirdest.

Look for Lisa on her website LisaHaneberg.com, on Facebook, Instagram, and her Amazon author page.


Love and War on the Rio Grande (Paradise Publishing, April 2024) by Parris Afton Bonds. Where the Rio Grande River meanders through the Pass had long been a gathering spot for Anglo and Spaniard and Indian. Determined colonists, fierce Indians, devout padres, pistoleros, cavalrymen, railroad barons, and high-class harlots had all played their roles here. Beginning with the declaration of the Texas War for Independence on March 2, 1836, the stage was set for three females, all born on that same historic day. From thereon, their incredible lives were to be irrevocably interwoven. Their friendship leads them into escapades and romance covering a half-century of El Paso’s illustrious history—forbidden and life-changing adventures.

You’ll find Parris on ParrisAftonBonds.com, Facebook, Instagram, and Twitter/X.


Open the Door to Your Creative Life (May 2024) by Carol H. March. Dare to Discover Your Inner Artist! Something is stirring! Do you hear the call? Get on board with your Creative Self and become the joyful, creative person you are meant to be. If you want to write, paint, compose, sing, start a business, or improve your life in any way, your Creative Self can lead you along the path to success. Say no to the voice of fear. Say no to the inner critic. Say yes to the wisdom within and discover your true potential. Be the person you know you can be. Open the door!

Visit Carol on her website CarolHollandMarch.com and her Amazon author page.


Hope: Poetry for our Future (July 2024) by Larry Kilham. Hope is a collection of Larry Kilham’s best poems through 2024. In this world struggling with identity, culture wars, and forecasts of apocalypse, Kilham’s poetry offers hope through themes of dealing with environmental change, nature, life’s passages, AI, and more. His poems have been included in many anthologies and have received many awards.

You’ll find Larry on his website LarryKilham.net and blog, and on his Amazon author page.


SWW Author Interviews: 2024 Releases

Tim Amsden
Love Letter to Ramah

Michael Backus
The Heart is Meat

Rachel Bate
Hatch Chile Willie

Irene Blea
Dragonfly

E. Joe Brown
A Cowboy’s Fortune (Kelly Can Saga Book 2)

Gency Brown
A Right Fine Life

Mary Lou Dobbs
Badass Old White Woman: How to Flip the Script on Aging

Lynn Ellen Doxon
The Moonlight Cavalry

Robert D. Kidera
Burn Scars

Kendra Loring
The Saga of Henri Standing Bear

William Murray
Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather

Jeff Otis
Raptor Lands: The Story of the Harrowing Return of the Dinosaurs

Léonie Rosenstiel
Protecting Mama: Surviving the Legal Guardianship Swamp


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




An Interview with Poet Mark Fleisher

Mark Fleisher is an Air Force veteran and former journalist with experience as a combat news reporter as well as a newspaper reporter and editor. Now a published poet, after the release of his first book of poetry in 2014, his work appears in numerous anthologies. Mark’s fifth book of full-length poems is Knowing When: Poems (Mercury HeartLink, March 2023) in which he “writes of sadness and tragedy, lightens the mood with poems about love, nature, even baseball, as well as a mirthful look at technology. Fleisher’s blend of narrative and lyric styles cut to the heart of the matter, showing the ability to speak volumes in a minimum number of lines.” Look for Mark on Facebook and his Amazon author page.


When readers turn the last page in the book, what do you hope your poems accomplish?
I hope the poems in Knowing When encourage readers to think about what I’ve written and what, if anything, the words mean to them. Maybe shed a tear or elicit a chuckle.

Do you have a favorite poem in the book, one that has a deeper meaning than the others?
I don’t know if they are my favorites, but the three poems talking about gun-related events underscore for me the very real and serious problem we have in this country. If I had to pick a single poem it would be “A Bittersweet Christmas.” It involves a couple I knew in Michigan. The husband — now deceased — had dementia, and his wife thought a Christmas tree would provide him with a little joy.

How did Knowing When come together?
I would venture to say the title poem and the last poem in the book were written specifically for Knowing When. The others I had written over the course of several months. I like to mix humorous — at least to me — poems in with the more serious stuff. Because I had most of the poems already written and sitting in the computer, it didn’t take all that long to assemble. The editing cycle was essentially going through the book numerous times and then Pamela Warren Williams (my publisher at Mercury HeartLink in Silver City) found things I missed. She did the interior design and we kind of collaborated on the cover. I had an idea of a clock with no hands. She suggested one hand and I agreed. The cover is essentially in gray tones and black. One reviewer called it depressing, another said it was extremely effective. You never know.

When did you know you had taken the manuscript as far as it could go, that it was finished and ready for publishing?
Great question. I had the manuscript finished — at least I thought so — and sent it off to Pamela. A few days later, I was driving down 4th Street on my way to the gym. A song written by John Prine and sung by Nanci Griffith came over my audio system. The song was “You Broke the Speed of Sound of Loneliness.” It dawned on me that there must be another side of loneliness and I started composing the poem in my head. I went to the gym, drove home and remembered what I had conjured up in my mind. I called Pamela and she said there was time to add another poem.

How is Knowing When different from, or similar to, your four other full-length books of poetry?
While I wouldn’t call myself a “war poet,” my year in Vietnam as an Air Force combat news reporter certainly informs. My previous four books contained a fair number of Vietnam-related poems and a few about other wars. Oddly, Knowing When does not. That was not a conscious decision on my part. In fact, I wasn’t even aware of it until the manuscript was done.

What was the best part of putting this project together?
Finishing it. Seriously, working with Pamela. She’s published my last three books and her late husband Stewart Warren did the first three. Knowing in my mind and my heart that I did my best and believing I had a pretty good book. I guess that was borne out as Knowing When was a finalist for the New Mexico-Arizona Poetry Book Award and a bronze medalist from the Military Writers Association of America. An author whose name I don’t recall said for a man, holding that finished book in his hands is the male equivalent of giving birth.

When did poetry become important to you?
I’m a relative newcomer to poetry. Didn’t like poetry very much or understood much of it through high school and college. When I started visiting New Mexico in 2010-2011, I started writing poetry. I have no clear idea why that happened, maybe because of the poetry community in and around Albuquerque. My reason for coming to New Mexico was an affair of the heart. I reconnected with a wonderful woman who I had briefly known — we had two dates — before I went to Vietnam. We hadn’t seen each other in 43 years. I remember writing romantic poems as our relationship grew. Most of them pretty bad as I really had no idea what I was doing.

How important is accessibility of meaning? Should a reader have to work to understand a poem?
Accessibility of meaning…I’ve been told my poetry is accessible and approachable. I am best categorized as a narrative poet, telling a story. That’s an outgrowth of my newspaper/magazine background. When I started writing poetry, I had a hard time with lyrical poetry. I’m more comfortable with it now. Still there are some things I’ve written and then said “where did that come from?” Someone — I can’t recall who — said some poems come from way out there and you are merely a conduit in sending it to readers.

How does a poem begin for you, with an idea, an emotion, an image?
Yes, yes and yes. I’ve even written a few poems generated by dreams, like having lunch with a young Einstein.

What writing projects are you working on now?
By the time this interview posts, I’ll have my next book in my hands. It’s called Persons of Interest and it’s different from the other books. This book contains 13 stories and 13 poems, a Baker’s Dozen of each.


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




An Interview with Author Butch Maki

Best-selling author Walter “Butch” Maki is a decorated Vietnam War veteran who went on to become a senior advisor on a U.S. presidential campaign, a successful entrepreneur, and a family man. Covid isolation offered him the focus to give voice to his PTSD battles and write his debut novel, Bikini Beach (May 2023), where he reveals “how love, understanding, and friendship are the special forces that get his main character, Mack, through the Vietnam War and civilian life that followed it.” You’ll find Butch on his website BikiniBeach.info and his Amazon author page.


Butch, please tell us a little about your novel Bikini Beach.
Bikini Beach, a first-person account, is based on actual events. The story is about Donald Makinen, or “Mack,” a soldier in Vietnam in his early twenties and his fifteen-year battle with PTSD upon his return home.

Tell us about your main character Mack Mackinen. What is his most endearing quality and his greatest flaw?
Macks greatest quality is his devotion to duty while not believing in the war. His greatest flaw would be his PTSD.

Describe the main setting in your story and what the day-to-day activities were like for the servicemen and women.
In Vietnam it was mostly helicopter missions with ASS and Trash missions. Ass being hauling men and trash cargo; an aircrew in Vietnam which involves hours and hours of boredom, punctuated by moments of sheer terror.

Did you have any opinions about U.S. involvement in Vietnam at the time that colored the telling of this story?
Yes, I saw the Vietnam War as a total waste of resources and men. The country’s leaders were corrupt, and the population was uneducated and too rural to worry about anything but caring for their family.

What prompted you to write Bikini Beach?
I was quarantined during COVID and driving my wife crazy. She suggested I write the book about Vietnam, which I had toyed with for years. I worked six to ten hours a day, five days a week to complete the work.

As a combat veteran, did you struggle with any part of putting this story together, and if so, can you tell readers what you did to move past it?
I did in parts of the story, but I worked through it with all the blessing I had.

Were there any surprising moments while writing your novel? Something you had forgotten or hadn’t realized previously that ultimately ended up in your novel?
I called friends who I served with to review or remember all the situations.

What was the biggest challenge you experienced during the war?
Getting back to flying after a crash or the helicopter got shot up and barely made it back to base.

Were there any lessons you learned that you’ve carried throughout your life?
I offered another crew chief $100 to swap places with me on a mission. If he agreed, I’d take his safe command and control ship while he flew the combat assault. Deep down, I knew he wouldn’t take the deal, but I had to make the offer. That day, his helicopter crashed, and he died in the wreckage. It taught me a hard lesson: never assume someone else has it easier than you do.

What do you hope readers will take away from Bikini Beach?
The dedication by the soldiers and the real problems with PTSD for returning soldiers.

Who are some of your favorite authors, and how have they influenced your writing?
My favorite author, Joe Badal, gave me invaluable advice. He told me I had a great story but encouraged me to turn it into a novel. He said that would give me the space to add more depth and color to the narrative.


Su Lierz writes dark fiction, short story fiction, and personal essays. Her short story “Twelve Days in April,” written under the pen name Laney Payne, appeared in the 2018 SouthWest Writers Sage Anthology. Su was a finalist in the 2017 and 2018 Albuquerque Museum Authors Festival Writing Contest. She lives in Corrales, New Mexico, with her husband Dennis.




An Interview with Author William (Will) Murray

Author William (Will) Murray accumulated a lifetime of adventures as a rancher raising cattle, horses, and dogs and as an outfitter guiding hundreds of people through private land and national forest. He has so many stories that it takes three memoirs to share them all. The first of these books, Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather: Memoir of a Wilderness Guide, was released by McFarland Publishing/Toplight Books in July 2024. Look for Will on his website WilliamWillMurray.com, Facebook, Twitter/X, and his Amazon author page. In addition to Amazon, Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather is available at McFarland Publishing and all major booksellers including Barnes & Noble, Thriftbooks, and Google Books.


What did you hope to accomplish when you began writing your memoir stories? By the end of the journey, were you successful in your goal?
I wanted to bring some of my life of adventure to everyone in a book. I chose the ten-year span of time when I guided and outfitted people into the wilderness along the California coast. My goal was to take the reader from their life to mine and back.

My book has been out on the market now for about six weeks and the feedback from almost everyone is the same. They tell me the words take them right into the adventure along with me and back!

What was the greatest challenge of writing Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather?
The greatest challenge was to tell these tall but true tales in just exactly the way that I would tell them if I were standing in front of you.

When did you know you wanted to write your memoir and what prompted the push to begin the project? At what point did you realize you needed more than one book to tell your story?
I had an idea that I wanted to write and had made a few notes over the years, but it took a bad accident with a horse to make me lay there and realize just how lucky I’d been and how big a life that I’d lived! Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather covers only ten years of my life, but a life so well overlived is now taking three books with a fourth in the making. I’ve had a big life, and I want to share it!

How is Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather structured? How did you go about naming your chapters?
There is no particular order. Laying in that hospital bed, the stories just started flowing and I never bothered to stop or change the order. However, I did start with my best friends, those intrepid four-legged champions that did all the work—my horses. The chapter names were easy, they just came to me before I started each chapter. The names came from somewhere in the back of my mind (scary).

Tell us how the book came together.
I started writing my book on about January 1st of 2023 and finished it along about February of 2024. My wife and I, including her family that live in the east, along with a game warden from California, edited this book four complete times. My friends were brutal! When I was finally ready, I began to look for a publisher, and because I was determined not to self-publish, it took eight months and about twenty book proposals before McFarland Publishing offered me a contract. They have turned out to be the very best!

Do you have a favorite story or chapter in the book?
I love the Dedication; I owe so much to my wife! I still think she tells the sun when to rise and set! My chapter pick is tough but the one that still brings me to tears is “A Miracle in the Night.” From a near tragedy to victory. A little common sense on my part could have kept me from having to write this chapter.

What was the best part of putting this project together?
My effort to write Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather brought to light what a completely out of hand and barely legal life I’ve led and how important it was to share it with everyone.

Amazon categorizes Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather as Equestrian Sports, Horse Riding, and Memoirs. If you didn’t have the limitations of Amazon categories, how would you characterize the book?
My book should be categorized in the Greatest of Human and Horse Endeavors category.

Did you ever feel like you were revealing too much of yourself (or anyone else) in writing your stories? If so, how did you push past the feeling and continue?
I couldn’t write my stories without my inner self and thoughts, and I loved this part the most as I knew it would draw the reader into the story itself.

How did you come up with the book title?
The book title came out of my mouth several weeks before I started to write. It just seemed perfect.

Was there anything surprising you discovered while doing research for Worn Out Saddles and Boot Leather?
I was surprised how good my memory is. As soon as I started a story, I was instantly back in time right there in the story.

Where does the memoirist’s responsibility lie: with the truth of the facts or with his feelings about what occurred?
Base a nonfiction story on the facts with a sprinkling of emotions scattered throughout. The truth will stand out if told with emotion.

What writing projects are you working on now?
My second book, A Scent in the Air, is about my lifetime of great dogs. It is now out for publishing, and I’m almost finished with my third book, An Untamed Life, the unbelievable story of my wild and out-of-hand life from an upside-down childhood to rodeo, logging, and my own ranch. I believe this book is the best so far! The fourth book will chronicle the loss of our freedoms in this country for which we are all to blame.

Is there anything else you’d like readers to know?
I’m not a writer but I’ve learned to put my stories into the written word just as I would tell them in person. To others I would just say sit down, pick up a pen, and let those words flow. Put some of yourself into your story and draw us in. Last but far from least, keep reading!


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




An Interview with Author Cornelia Allen

Cornelia Allen was raised in rural New Mexico and became a woman of many talents and adventures from time spent in various occupations including farm fieldworker, national park ranger, biology teacher, medical practitioner, and eventually the Dean of Education at two colleges. She is now an author who loves writing about characters inspired by the interesting people she has met in her journeys. Cornelia’s debut release, Then Came July (The Rick Mora Novels Book 1, August 2023), is an action-adventure romance set in The Land of Enchantment. Look for Cornelia on Facebook and her Amazon author page.


What is your elevator pitch for Then Came July?
When her clinic is firebombed, the severely injured young doctor clashes culturally, philosophically, even physically with the hard-nosed investigator. But as they begin to see themselves through each other’s eyes, they learn what real love means.

What makes this novel unique in the romantic action/adventure/suspense market?
These are real people, very successful, conflicted and wounded, with a dark side in his case, but strong enough to change, to take the opportunity when offered. Shakespeare said that there is a tide in the affairs of man that when taken at the flood leads to victory. My characters grab that flood tide.

Tell us how the book came together.
I always had heroes. From Horatio Hornblower of fiction to our own Elfego Baca. But I have been feeling a lack of real, relatable heroic characters in current fiction. Not superheroes, but those who struggle to reach some shining star. Hence, my Enrique (Rick) and July. They strive and fail and try again. I wanted a book cover that showed their conflicting views, but with some give to it. I was incapable of pulling that off, so I hired an illustrator from Outskirts Press, and liked their idea. I used an editor who ran through the book twice, but I did most of it for lack of funds. Initially, I thought that traditional publishing would not work for me because I had been very ill, and did not expect to live long enough to see the book hit the shelves. But I have zero interest in marketing, so self-publishing doesn’t work either. Damn! I’m stuck! Ah, well!

Who are your main protagonists? Did they surprise you as you wrote their story?
Rick and July came to me. I didn’t have to seek them. Like with other friends, I learned more about them over time. And there is still more to learn. I sort of point them in a direction, and they run with it. The one thing that remains steady with them now is that they have each other and their joint family. They will do anything to maintain the relationship. Not that they don’t fight with each other, get exasperated, misunderstand each other. They do, but it never changes their love for each other.

What is the main setting for the book, and how does it impact the story?
I am a New Mexican. My stories are set in the deserts and mountains, the cities and countryside that I know. Urban or wilderness, they are a part of the story. The very first scene is of July impatiently waiting at a stoplight on Lohman in Las Cruces, New Mexico, and daydreaming about getting her toes into some cool water at Dripping Springs in the Organ Mountains just east of town.

Is there a scene in Then Came July that you’d love to see play out in a movie?
There are many! One in particular is just after Rick and July, hesitatingly reaching a new and unexpected relationship, have had a major fight and are struggling with a new level of understanding. They are sitting in the dirt of a little road in a meadow, watching the night coming on, and there is a coyote family nearby watching also, watching them in silence. It is poignant because Rick is sometimes called the coyote cop, in recognition of his prowess as a hunter of the bad guys. And it fits because he is also a silent observer, a woodsman in his natural environment, and it relates to a life-changing incident when he was a child. This scene touches my soul. The two coyotes in spiritual harmony, so to speak.

What was your favorite part of putting this project together?
How I would wake up with some new knowledge of what July and Rick were doing that day. I laughed a lot.

According to Amazon, this is a second edition of Then Came July. What changes did you make to the original book? Also, Then Came July looks like it’s the first of a series. Do you plan second editions of these books as well?
I did not, initially, write for the market, just for my own and my family’s entertainment. So, I tried out different endings. There really have never been first editions, only potential editions sent to friends via Kindle. I think of those as drafts, and had no idea that Amazon would not let me remove them.

In my very diverse family, there are cowboys and farmers, lawyers and various medical folks, military and preachers, scientists and engineers. In one way or another, they have all contributed to the characters and their stories. All I have to do is listen, and imagine.

What inspired you to become a writer?
Spring of 2024, I decided to become a writer, not just a storyteller for friends and family. I realized that I had a chance when an award-winning screenwriter, who has a new movie coming out this Fall, offered to write (in his spare time) a TV pilot based on Then Came July. I am collaborating, and it is lots of fun.

It appears you began your writing/publishing career later in life. What has your mature self brought to the writing table that your younger self never could have?
Patience with myself. I have the attention span of a gnat, so focus is a lifelong challenge.

What’s the best encouragement or advice you’ve received in your writing journey?
Michael McGarrity and Craig Johnson both said, in one way or another, to keep on trying. Standard advice to the admiring masses, I suppose. Nevertheless, I took it to heart.

What writing projects are you working on now?
A YA coming of age story that incorporates some of my own adventures growing up in the mountains of New Mexico in the 40s and 50s. For a few years, I taught college freshmen, and it was a revelation to me how little they knew, and a revelation to them that we ancients were not quite as backwards as they thought. I loved that job and made some good friends. One youngster’s great-grandfather had been a lieutenant in Pancho Villa’s Army. My dad rode as a hunter with Pershing’s troops, chasing Villa’s Army into Mexico. We bonded over the differences. Oh, wait! I think I may hear a manuscript approaching!

Is there anything else you’d like readers to know?
Age really is not so much a barrier as it is an opportunity. I am only 80. There is still much to do.


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner loves creating worlds of fantasy and science fiction. Her current work in progress is The Last Bonekeeper fantasy trilogy and short stories in the same universe. A member of SouthWest Writers since 2006, Kat has worked as the organization’s secretary, newsletter editor, website manager, and author interview coordinator. Kat is also a veteran, a martial art student, and a grandmother. Visit her at klwagoner.com.




Author Update 2024: Michael Backus

Author and creative writing instructor Michael Backus is an essayist, novelist, short story writer and screenwriter as well as a memoirist. His latest release, The Heart Is Meat: An 80s Memoir (Oil on Water Press, August 2024), is a “raw…tender…self-portrait of the artist as a strung-out young meat market worker in the throes of a volatile love affair” and “vividly evokes the carnival seaminess and romance of pre-gentrified downtown New York.” You’ll find Mike on his website MichaelJBackus.com and on Facebook and Twitter. For more about his work, read SWW’s 2017 and 2022 interviews.


Why did you write The Heart Is Meat and who did you write it for?
In my synopsis/pitch for the book, I wrote:

In 1982, NYC’s meatpacking district was a wild confluence of meat market workers, gay men hitting The Mineshaft, NJ mafiosos, veterans of three wars, heroes of the French resistance and Holocaust survivors.

It was a startling new world for a 22-year-old who grew up in a small town in Indiana. I never dreamed of moving to NYC; if my sister hadn’t moved there in 1978, it wouldn’t even have been on my radar. I got a job tossing meat at Adolf Kusy Pork and Provisions through my sister’s boyfriend; it was 1982 and NYC was still an exciting and scary place and the Gansevoort Meatpacking district on the north edge of Greenwich Village was like nothing I’d ever experienced. It was pure chaos from 3:00 to 10:00 am, the streets clogged with hundreds of men in white coats, trucks blowing their horns, semi-trailers wanting to get unloaded and gay men frequenting the Mineshaft and the Anvil, two heavy leather clubs. More than anything, I wanted the book to be a document of that time and that place, a world of drugs, violence, levity, desperation, and hard work. I wanted to recreate the ongoing profanely aggressive dark comedy that was the meat market in general and our meat house in particular. Jimmy, my old boss at Kusy’s, had t-shirts made up that read “Adolf Kusy Pork and Provisions, we have the meat and the motion, the wild and craziest meat house in NYC.” A few years ago, I tracked down Jimmy and he said;

“I wish now I had a tape recorder and had just recorded every day down there. Just the…stories alone, the shit people came up with every day, the insanity of that place.”

If you go to NYC’s meatpacking district today, it seems almost impossible to believe my market of the early 80s ever existed. There’s the new Whitney museum, a seemingly endless number of high-end stores and restaurants, the lovely High Line park built on the old High Line railroad tracks (weedy and abandoned in the 80s). Today, a Van’s shoe superstore sits where Kusy once did. So first and foremost, I wrote the book because working there was a central experience in my life and I wanted to honor that. But I also felt some responsibility to make the book a document of a place and a time that’s so long gone, it’s hard to imagine it ever existed.

When did you know you wanted to write this portion of your life’s story? What prompted the push to begin the project?
I wrote a fiction short story back in the 90s called “Meat” that is loosely based around my experiences in the market in the 80s. It was published in the Portland Review, a literary magazine out of Portland State University and for a long time, I considered that my best short story. At that time, I wasn’t very interested in memoir. I resented its place in our literary culture, the idea that memoir was somehow “more true” than fiction, which is a ridiculous simplification. If I thought about it at all, it was as a possible novel and as a possible novel, I wasn’t interested in imposing an invented plot on what had been my life.

Then life intruded. I got older, people close to me started dying of old age and at some point, it was like someone threw a switch and I found myself writing short memoir pieces which eventually led to beginning the book that would become The Heart is Meat. One thing I learned about memoir is it’s easier to structure your narrative if you simply commit to a chronological approach, the structure takes care of itself and you can concentrate on content. With fiction, structure is never a given and the sheer number of ways you can approach a fiction narrative are daunting. That wasn’t an issue in writing this book and I found that very freeing.

I should also mention that a large part of the book is about maintaining a live-in relationship, living in the East Village of the early 1980s, going to art shows and dance clubs and guerilla art installations on the Hudson River piers. I try to capture what it was like to live in a New York City very different from today; how it could be scary, but it was also lively and exciting.

How is the book structured and why did you choose to put it together that way? How did you decide when to end the memoir?
I structured the book chronologically more or less but I made a couple of decisions about structure. For one, I wanted to start on action, just jump right into the moment so I didn’t detail how I ended up in NYC in the beginning, I started right in the middle of a day at work in the market, a day when my character was expected to apologize to a meat inspector I’d had a run in with a few days before. Adolf Kusy Pork and Provisions carried only boxed meat, so meat inspectors never bothered us, but they could cause problems if they wanted to which was why I was being forced to say “I’m sorry” for something I considered the fault of the inspector. This forms the first 30 pages or so of the book.

After this opening, I mostly moved forward chronologically but about halfway into the book, I have a second structural section where over a five-day period (the overall section is called “The Great Stakeout” and is broken down into sections marked Day One, Day Two…to Day Five) I detail two dramatic events happening at the same time. At work, there had been a holdup and murder in a nearby meat house and Adolf Kusy had the most ready cash on hand (we did more retail business than anyone else in the market) and everyone was sure we would be next. Plainclothes cops spent five days wearing white butcher’s coats and pretending to work among us while waiting for the robbers to strike. At the same time, the mother, father and sister of the woman I lived with were visiting from overseas and staying with us in our cramped East Village apartment. Each of the five days, I navigated work and cops and possible danger from 4:00 am to 2:00 pm, then after, when normally I’d be napping, I hosted her parents, running around the city, doing touristy things. It was a lot going on at the same time, but it ended up being a central structural part of the book.

About the ending, I struggled with it for some time and I still don’t think it’s perfect. If the book is partly about working in the Gansevoort meat market and living in a very different NYC, it’s also about the slow dissolution of a relationship. I used that final breakup as the end of the book, but after I was done, I interviewed my old boss Jimmy and added an Epilogue with information on what happened to some of the characters in the book over the previous 25 years. Jimmy remembered some things differently than I did and I included those memories without changing my own, this memoir being how I remembered my life back then. The epilogue also allowed me to include one of Jimmy’s memories about the market then, which helped me make one last point about the uniqueness of that particular time and place, which worked as the actual ending to the book.

Tell us more about how the book came together.
Writing took a couple of years; I mentioned a fiction short story “Meat” earlier, that story had an aggressive, profane and hopefully comic voice and I was able to find that voice very early on in writing the memoir. That was a huge help. But after multiple rejections, I’d more or less given up on publishing the book. It had some of the best writing I’ve done in my writing career, but it seemed out of step with our literary and social culture; the meat market world in 1982 was often over the top in how people expressed themselves, how they acted (toxic masculinity sums up the market nicely), and while I’m totally on board with our larger culture’s attempts to embrace a more open, inclusive approach to everything, I wasn’t sure my book really fit into the American literary world of today. Oil on Water Press is out of England and I don’t think it’s a coincidence that an English publisher accepted my book. I’m not convinced an American publisher ever would have. In terms of the book cover, the publisher came up with it after I sent them a photo from the 80s of Adolf Kusy’s sign outside the meat house. I liked it from the start and after I was able to get a couple of blurbs from known authors, the cover was complete.

Any “Oh, wow!” moments while doing research for this book?
Nothing so dramatic, but when interviewing my old boss, I discovered that a couple of guys I worked with had died just a few years after I left the job. And he had details that were different from mine. For example, in “The Great Stakeout” section of the book, I remembered the two killers being described as Serbians. He remembered them as Jamaicans, and while I acknowledged that in the Epilogue, I didn’t change anything in the body of the memoir. It seemed useful to acknowledge the reality that memoir is as created a world as fiction; that the moment an event is over, it becomes a memory and all memory is subjective.

One last sad thing; I always imagined finding Jimmy, my old boss, and giving him a signed copy of the book, that he more than anyone would appreciate the details. It was one of the reasons I wanted to get the book published in the first place. But just a couple of months ago, while trying to figure out how to get the book to him, I found out he died in 2023 at the age of 73, which was a surprise since he seemed healthy and robust his whole life.

Did you ever feel you were revealing too much about yourself while writing The Heart Is Meat? If so, how did you push past this feeling and continue?
Absolutely, I freaked out fairly regularly about it. I published a novel, The Vanishing Point, a couple of years ago and while the main character has a lot of me in him, I could always hide behind the idea that this is fiction and that character is NOT me. But in the memoir, the character literally has my name. It IS me. There’s a genuine vulnerability to that and I can’t claim to have fully come to grips with it, though in the end, it is what it is. In terms of pushing past this fear, when writing, I always tell myself that I need to be as open and honest as possible and if at some future point, someone wants to publish it, then I’ll worry about it then. And I’ve been writing a long time now, I’ve taught creative writing for over 20 years and I’m still teaching it. I’ve long ago come to peace with the notion that I might at times be showing too much of myself, which isn’t the same as saying I never have moments of doubt and worry.

There’s another consideration. The girlfriend who I was living with (Maya in the book) is alive and well. I met her in college, we both ended up in NYC, we lived together for five years on 12th Street and Avenue A. I still know her, mostly in a “like your post on Facebook” way but she didn’t ask to be a character in a former boyfriend’s memoir and I feel some trepidation about that. I have not talked to her about it and part of me has to be selfish and say, “This is my story,” but that doesn’t mean I’m not aware that I’m revealing intimate details about someone who hasn’t been part of my life for 30 plus years.

How did you pick the title of the book?
I worked on the title with my sister and her partner; they came up with the Heart is Meat part, I wanted to add something about what it was so I added An 80s Memoir to the end. I sometimes go back and forth even at this late date on the title, but here’s the thing. When I published my novel The Vanishing Point, I had changed the name a couple of times and The Vanishing Point was the original title and I was eager to return to it. But now in retrospect, I find The Vanishing Point kind of mundane and mostly forgettable. It sounds generic. Whatever else, The Heart is Meat is not generic.

What was it about New York City that first drew you to it? Has your view of the city changed?
My sister moved to the city from Indiana in 1978, she still lives there. I visited her in 79 and while I was not the kind of kid who ever imagined himself living in NYC, something about the vibrancy of the place interested me. It was dirty, it was dangerous, but the streets were also full of people at pretty much any time of the day or night. There were artists and writers everywhere, so in 1982, thinking of myself as a fiction writer, I moved to the city because it seemed the best city for a fiction writer to live in. And it was, pretty much in every way other than doing the work itself. I wrote almost nothing in my time there but much of what I experienced informed everything I eventually did write. I left the city in the late 80s to go to grad school in Chicago but returned in 1998 and spent the next 16 years there and it was a totally different city. Still lively and crowded, but not in any way scary anymore (despite what certain politicians say, NYC is one of the safest cities in the country), I built a fine life around working for a college on the upper east side (both in the administration and teaching creative writing as an adjunct professor), I rode my bike everywhere, I played basketball four times a week at the 92nd street Y. In so many ways, it was an idyllic lifestyle and totally different from my experience in the early 80s. But one of those differences was how expensive it had become and when I lost my apartment in 2014, I literally could not afford to live there anymore. If I could have afforded it, I’d probably still be there.


KLWagoner150_2KL Wagoner (writing as Cate Macabe) is the author of This New Mountain: a memoir of AJ Jackson, private investigator, repossessor, and grandmother. Kat has a speculative fiction blog at klwagoner.com and writes about memoir at ThisNewMountain.com.




Author Update: Lynn Ellen Doxon

Lynn Ellen Doxon had authored over a thousand newspaper and magazine articles, three nonfiction books, and a children’s book before she branched into historical fiction in 2022 with the publication of the first World War II novel in her Becoming the Greatest Generation series. Book two in that series, and her newest release, is The Moonlight Cavalry (Artemesia Publishing, April 2024). You’ll find Lynn on her website LynnDoxon.com and her Amazon author page. For more about her work, read her 2023 interview for SouthWest Writers.


The Moonlight Cavalry is the second book in your Becoming the Greatest Generation series. Can you give readers a little background on this new book?
In the first book, Ninety Day Wonder, schoolteacher Eugene Sinclair is drafted against his will as war rages in Europe but before the US is involved. Following boot camp he is trained for the Coastal Artillery and sent to the shores of Puget Sound. He feels his calling is in medicine and manages to get additional training as a pharmacist. His pharmacy training is completed on December 5, 1941.

After the Pearl Harbor attack, he is almost immediately reassigned to anti-aircraft artillery and sent to Camp Davis in North Carolina for Officers Training School. On his way there he meets Sarah Gale, a young woman who works in the camp laundry. Ninety days later he is commissioned as an officer and deeply involved with Sarah Gale.

Following further training in Texas (and New Mexico since Fort Bliss extended all the way to what is now White Sands) and Florida, where Sarah Gale is now stationed as a WAC and they become engaged, he was sent to the Pacific, where he is separated from his battery.

In The Moonlight Cavalry, Gene leads a replacement platoon to the island where his unit will soon arrive, then rejoins the unit as they follow the 24th Infantry around New Guinea and the Philippines. Along the way they experience pitched battles, battle fatigue, friendly fire and the biggest killer in the Pacific, tropical diseases. Gene contracts malaria and is plagued by hallucinations of his fifth great grandfather’s experience in the Revolutionary War.

What drew you to the historical fiction genre?
I discovered historical fiction in elementary school, and it quickly became my favorite genre. In high school I waded through several Michener novels and read War and Peace.  I was a voracious reader all my life and read The Thorn Birds (which isn’t historical fiction) in one sitting when it first came out. When I decided to start writing full time, historical fiction seemed the natural choice.

Were there any scenes you found difficult to write? How did you move past that?
As the relationship developed between Sarah Gale and Gene, I had to consider how to write intimate scenes between them. Since this is a 1940’s novel I went with the suggestive level of many 1940’s movies, but I still am not sure those scenes are as engaging as they could be.

What is the most difficult aspect of writing historical fiction?
There is a lot of research involved in writing historical fiction and the temptation is to try to include all you have learned. I quickly figured out that my long descriptions were not as engaging as Michener’s. They sounded more like the academic writing I did on the way to getting my MS and PhD. I tried to remove everything that did not contribute to the story.

Also, this story takes place recently enough that there are some people who remember it and more who can say “that’s not what my dad told me.” Sometimes I could not find research on details I wanted to include so I just made things up. It is fiction, but the historical details still need to be accurate, or somebody will call you on it.

When writing a series, what is it that keeps readers coming back for more?
Each book has to be a complete story but still have some unanswered questions to draw the reader to the next book. Of course, everyone knows how the war comes out, but how does Gene fare for the remainder of the conflict? It is also important to have characters people love. I hope I have made Gene and Sarah Gale into characters that people want to know.

How much involvement did you have regarding the book’s cover design?
I sent the editor several suggestions and he sent back something that was much better.

What is your elevator pitch for The Moonlight Cavalry?
The Moonlight Cavalry is the story of a searchlight battery of antiaircraft artillery, told by their executive officer, island hopping across the Pacific during World War II.

Authors are faced with handling much of their own exposure when it comes to media and marketing. How do you balance your writing career with the business of being a writer?
My daughter and I just started a digital marketing company. In that process I have learned a lot about effective websites and social media marketing. The problem is I simply don’t have time for everything, and things aren’t too well balanced at the moment.

What part do critique groups play in your writing process?
I find the critiques of other writers to be very important. I belong to a critique group that has made several suggestions that I believe will make the third book much better. I believe critique groups and beta readers are extremely important in the writing process.

When can readers expect to see book three in your Becoming the Greatest Generation series?
Life is pretty hectic right now. I am hoping to have a publication date in November 2025.


Su Lierz writes dark fiction, short story fiction, and personal essays. Her short story “Twelve Days in April,” written under the pen name Laney Payne, appeared in the 2018 SouthWest Writers Sage Anthology. Su was a finalist in the 2017 and 2018 Albuquerque Museum Authors Festival Writing Contest. She lives in Corrales, New Mexico, with her husband Dennis.




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